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  • Why aren't you reading this?

    http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:AngrydroidForce99/Why_people_should_not_be_blocked_for_incidents_on_other_wikis

    Also, why aren't you going to Community Wikia as I asked you to?

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    • Anon, until Klaus stops with all the socks and leaves for good, all I'm doing is adding philosophy to my wall. That means I'm not even looking at any thread that talks about me.

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    • that is not very productive tut tut tut 

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    • And as TKU sees, Klaus' block on Rich's wiki just made him sock again. Klaus also could sock on Ionixpedia. TKU should really listen to what I say, but instead he makes the same mistakes he already made last year in December over and over again and with this he lost the support of my group and probably even more members including those on future wikis run by MoviezWorldwide.

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    • Caleb Dannvers wrote:
      that is not very productive tut tut tut 

      It's best of you to not be involving about anything regarding this guy over here. Otherwise, what will happen if you do? Are you going to reply and snark again? Because I know you're going to reply like this.

      Also Unite-san, have you even heard about the Shenmue community? There are a lot of new franchises to explore and a lot of communities dedicated to that "franchise" to explore as well, that means you should take your internet problems aside(if they will ever be solved anyway) and try wonderful things such as IRC chat networks or... I don't know - I don't even care at this point so that is up to you.

      Come on, we have gotten over this. We can't go around in circles to find the real solution for the problem. You are walking around in circles waiting for the problem to be solved. And I know you will ask "What about you, Anon?" because the answer I will give is I am not supposed to care about the problems you guys are still having on this wiki. Instead, I have founded my own fansub group(that is lacking a good number of collaborators and resources at the moment) and I have written the third episode of Forrow. Go at pastebin and search for Forrow.

      For a final note, I watched the first four episodes of Digimon Adventure Tri.(yes, that was from a CrunchyRoll source) and it wasn't very good. The visuals are good, the music and voice acting are decent, the plot has progressed slowly to the point I almost lost track of it and the characters are meh. Now you're happy I'm saying something different now huh?

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      • sigh* Fine, it's not like I'm really that important anyway. Since my birthday is 5th of December and my account in this wikia will have its first year by some days now, I might need some friends to make something special to me - be it just a message on my wall wishing me a good year to spectacular Tenkai designs, I hope that at least I won't be forgotten.
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    • Anon, my point is final. Either Klaus is blocked and is told to never come back, or the drama continues. He started a problem at Rich's wiki, which proves that you're making a big mistake, Night. Until you learn that you can't compromise with me unless you're going to give me something that makes me happy and not just you and understand that you do have the power to stop Klaus by saying a few simple words which can actually be done because powerless users have to listen to crats, there's no point for you to talk to me. All of this can come to an end, and it can only be solved if you do the right thing through my eyes. If you're no going to solve this issue that I didn't cause, don't bother coming back to Rich's wiki. You know you can't beat me in a debate and you know my opinions can be as solid as titanium.

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    • I think I'm just going to leave. Have fun while it lasts.

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    • Klaus will just sock again and again, no matter how often you block his accounts, even if it doesn't happen directly. When he was last blocked by me he stayed away from our wiki for as long as he was blocked. I'm not making any mistake. Actually I have tried to make a compromise with you. My group changed the rules more often than it would be reasonable to meet your demands. But now we see that you are just a querulous person. I can't stop Klaus, he will just sock again and again. And since his latest global block he did nothing wrong. The right thing through your eyes isn't necessarily the right thing through the eyes of the others. I can go to Rich's wiki as much as I want and I can of course beat you in a debate. I think you are just a bit self-important.

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    • decent in the ranks i see lol this is sweet

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    • So you admit you can't stop Klaus? You just want to give up and allow this to happen? You admit you don't have the power to stand up and tell him to leave? If I was in charge, I would have aleady made the demand years ago. Also, you're wrong. If you been listening lately, I'm not the only one who wants Klaus gone. Rich, Josh, Mario, DTL and his brother, and even staff agrees with me. Your way of running the system doesn't fit. Your solution is to give infinite chances to those that do wrong. That's terrible because the person won't learn anything that way. It makes you look soft and easily vulnerable to pick on. If you give them a few chances, they'll learn because they'll know that in many times in life, you need to make the right choice and better yourself, and if you screw up so many times, that's that because you can't always be granted to succeed. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Why do you think expelled exists in school? Because we're not going to allow the same student to do the same thing over and over. Either the student betters themselves, or they're gone for good. Besides, you don't need to go to Rich's wiki because I know you well. The only reason you go there is because you know I'm there. When you come to the chat, there's a part of you that believes that you're always right and never wrong. When you come to the chat, your very first move is to tell me that I'm wrong. Based on my status, you know what I want. So if you try to go to the chat, you may have just failed your purpose of coming there because you know you can't defeat me. You know the only choice is to do what was started, but was never continued because some people like to give up on something without giving it a chance or letting it live longer.

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    • Actually I can stop Klaus, but not the way you want to have it. I stopped him when he broke the rules last time and I will do it again. I know that you aren't the only one who wants Klaus gone, but whether Mario, Josh, Rich, DTL and Sannse are right with this is another question. My system of running it fits at least more than what you want, as Klaus didn't sock while he was blocked for a week by me. Also if you can't remember, my group re-introduced infinite blocks, but we still don't think it's the best solution. It doesn't make me look soft and vulnerable, just because I want to have a more efficient blocking system. In school it would be more effective to expel students as I have explained it in another thread. Expelled students can't sockpuppet and they only go to school for a limited time. Also there are a lot of other similar schools a student can go to. However on a wiki you are a member for all your life and you can sockpupet very easy. As well there is mostly one major wiki about one topic and all others are duplicates. So why prohibiting an user to go to a wiki he used to go to from going there for all his life, just because he made trouble many years ago. I don't think I'm always right, I indeed made mistakes. One of them was promoting you to crat as I see now. I can defeat you, you just don't want to give up, because you don't want to listen to older and more reasonable people like me. I gave the infinite block a chance but it didn't work and now I even re-introduced them. However my work on Wikia will continue but without you, as my group and their friends won't accept a person like you as another crat. On New Year's Eve you will learn to know another one who is against you. I already talked to Dark's chat partner, she is far nicer than him, but like Dark and other users like Speed and Anon she doesn't share your views.

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    • what the first off I just think that Night might be to forgiving at times he Did give Klus over 200

      chances  with is starting to make me worry that someone might ask him to for give him then

      later use him as a puppet

      also if kluas does go to far then yes he should be block on the wiki he goes to far on  also the group that night is part of only 

      wiki's that are run by them have no infinite now that the rules have change know all wiki's can

      infinite block uses with out the infinite block then the wiki's run by nights gourp are the only wiki's that don't infinite block users

      and different people have different rules and i'am not on any side of the debate really  Night

      their are some people that can never be responsible or redeemable no matter  how many chances you  give them 


      and also night you are more forgiving then tku to the point where you are to forgiving you tku

      also is on the stubborn side both of you of different way's for what you think is best for the wiki

      also Night I thought dark was the type to go after ocfree and her friend that has been coseing

      trouble more then going after tku I wonder why he did not go after ocfree and her friend and

      instead whent after tku I just find that out of character for him for some reason?

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    • and what would you lot class as too far

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    • well it depens on the on the person  one person might think you have gone to far and a other person might not some might block you for longer on one wiki then a other but from what i have seen night is  the most forgiving person on wiki 

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    • Night, the right choice was making me a crat because I was a nobody before until I had expression. The wrong choice was you betraying me and derailing the whole plan after one day. The fact that you only say I'm mistake shows you have no care into what I'm doing and shows you never make mistakes and that you're a perfectionist. If you really made mistakes, you'd honestly tell me more.

      To ban a user forever means to prove a point and show you're a serious person and prove that they need to learn a lesson.

      You have no reason to go to RIch's wiki. All you want to do there is make me feel bad when you have no idea what I'm going through.

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    • ive learnt a lesson tku just not the one u was trying to teach

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    • now im starting to feel like my old self again :)

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    • Unfortunately you are wrong. I didn't give Klaus 200 chances. Actually most blocks came from you and they were not placed for misbehavior, but just because you felt about to block, as well as with when you blocked Allie and OFD, Being forgiving is not the point, I just want a fair blocking system, which includes also infinite blocks as I have said. However the rules state that infinite blocks are only placed for cases if no other method is promising and this case didn't happen yet. Also there are enough wikis without infinite blocks and you can't have seen all wikis on Wikia as there are millions of wikis. Even if at least the majority of wikis would have infinite blocks doesn't mean that it is right. The majority was often wrong in history, in particular when Adolf Hitler was voted Chancellor of Germany. A lot of people are easy to manipulate. Furthermore redemption can never be fully excluded and even if it is an infinite block it can be lifted at a later time. Infinite just means open-ended in this case. As with TKU, I and also all of my group and their friends think the mistake was that you were promoted to crat. I wasn't betraying you, I just saw that infinite blocks aren't that useful as I have predicted and my group and I saw that there are better ways. I also can tell you more mistakes such as changing the rules too often and trying to meet your demands. But I see now that you just want that everyone does your bidding. Bureaucrats can also be serious without banning an user forever and the banned user can also learn a lesson without being banned forever. Being banned forever just makes them socking. And weren't you the one who started talking about that tiresome topic on Rich's wiki again? I just gave counter-arguments which are more rational than yours. And just so you know my position on infinite blocks stands, they will be only used in cases when there are no better ways and this case didn't happen yet. You can argue with me as long as you want, it will just make things worse for you, as I will not turn against my group and their friends who all say you are in the wrong. Also other users like Dreamare, Anon, Speed, Sky, Dark and his chat partner also think that you are wrong. So if you want to disrupt the wiki by having two parties - my and your party - this won't help your case. Just let it go, TKU.

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    • I blocked Klaus at one point because a person saying to be him ask me to block him


      and seeing how ocfree and allie where block because of the facts they  were forceing others to

      leve the fanbace but attacking them they said things about every one on this wiki and made fun

      of every on and they says every one hates them   and also wanted to be blocked           and it so

      far they have not change  

      also why is dark going after tku and not them the reason I want to know because I thought that going after them would be more in character for him to do then to go after tku

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    • sorry but infinite blocks have help a lot of wiki's form what I saw 


      but then all of them had worst stuff that was going on   and more stuff they have to deal with their are also user that stay the same no mather   how many times they were blocked  

      and on a lot of wiki's their have only been a few sock accounts most socks accounts are made with one day blocks to 2 years blocks

      also people might come on here and do stuff thing that they  can get away with it if the worng words are said

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    • Night, you're wrong. I never blocked OCD or Allie. The infinite block WOULD have worked, but we'll never know because you gave up on the American Dream. Testing it for two days isn't enough. What's worse is you drop this trial right after I gone through tooth surgery and on my birthday month. Like I already needed more pain. I'll gladly let the case go, once you block Klaus for good. Don't you get it yet? You don't have a choice. Only three outcomes can happen. Either Klaus leaves on his own, which will never happen, you admit that life here has become worse because of the new rules and that the only solution to fix it all is normalism, or staff comes in and does what they did at Gatchaman, where we were all told to never come back and we listened. Also, the banned people can't learn anything WITHOUT being banned forever. For starters, has Klaus even done anything different with and/or without the bans? NO! He's still the same person he always has been and always will be! Even with your new rules, did that stop Klaus at all? NO! He still socks everyday, which proves he'll never learn. Look, I don't care what you think about me. I don't care if you hate me. I don't care if your friends hate me. In fact, I don't even care if an entire organization hates me. All I want is peace and prosperity. All I want is to come back here and edit again. All of that can't happen as long as a bad user continues to roam the land and is able to get away with everything and as long as the wiki is controlled by corruption. That's right, I said corruption. Why do you think users such as Crimson stopped coming? It was because your new rules weren't helping anyone here and that they were rather helping the bad guy. It was also because even before and after the rules, the fact that you allowed Klaus to get away with so much was frowned upon by multiple users. I would know this because they told me in private. They trusted me more than you, since I'm more open. They didn't want to say that you became a little corrupt because they feared of being banned. Not only am I representing myself, but I also represent my comrades and the lost souls of those who left because things got worse. Also, I don't have to apologize for ANYTHING here. It's not my fault that some people here are jerks. It's not my fault that some people are incapable of learning about acceptance. It's even not my fault that people continue to make socks because they don't know how to deal with their own issues. All of this stuff that's happening right now, it didn't start because of me. No, I was the one who was trying to stop all of this. All the stuff that's going on right now, happening by you. If you want it to stop, you're gonna have to go against your friends and take the AMERICAN solution. So what if you don't want to go against your friends. What if your friends or family was doing something that you didn't want to do? For example, if they were killing animals or stealing property, would you do any of that? No, because even if it means being hated by close ones, you'd try to do the right thing. Sometimes, you have to go against close ones. They're not always 100% correct on everything. You need to have your own stand. If you just rely on what they think, you're practically being controlled like a robot or slave without any freedom.

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    • In some cases infinite blocks help, but in a lot of other cases not. And its up to my group to decide whether an infinite block will solve the problem. In Klaus' case we don't think so, he will just sock again and again. On most wikis with infinite blocks there are a lot of socks. As for you, TKU, I meant Mario had blocked Allie and OFD not you. Also Klaus was infinitely blocked for one month not just for two days as you claim it. And after that month I and also my group saw that it won't work with the infinite block. When I temporarily blocked Klaus and reported him to staff to get him globalled that worked far better as he didn't return to the wiki before his local block expired. And as I have said before I even don't fully exclude infinite blocks. However in Klaus' case an infinite block won't be that promising as we saw when we infinitely blocked Klaus before. As well Klaus didn't break the rules on this wiki in the last month. The wiki is not ruled by corruption, if there is corruption it comes from you as you always want to bend the rules instead of helping to enforce them. Users stopped coming because Tenkai Knights has ended and is unlikely to be renewed. As well they might not want to come back because of your neverending rebellion towards me and my group. I know that there are some users who don't like me, but they are wrong with this. Kayron once said you were a better leader than me, but I proved him wrong. Also you tried to make me look like a bully on Rich's wiki and made Josh and Lightus threaten to ban me, for which they later had to apologize. If I was like Nbajammer and the other crats from Tokupedia I would have banned you, Josh and Lightus from any wiki run by Anime Movement, but lucky for you my group and I are not like them. Klaus doesn't get away with anything he does. If he makes trouble again he will be banned in any case, whether it's infinite or not is the decision of Anime Movement, if we feel an infinite block would bring us further then we do it, if not we won't and only place a temporary block. Also don't act like you have all users behind yourself, I would say you rather have the more dubious persons behind you, former troublemakers like Rich, not very independent people like Josh and a lot of other irrational people, who are not able to see that Anime Movement does a far better job than you. And I don't listen to my friends because I'm not independent, but because they are right with what they say and are more rational than you and people connected to you.

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    • and the fighting begins your losing your touch tku this is too funny users are begining to question you and i kicked u from your kingdom who has the power now..... friend

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    • night you do know that their is a change this wiki can be taken over by a other user what would you do if that happen?

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    • different people runs wikii differently however I'am starting to have a feeling that someone is

      going to got to staff and try to take over this wiki   so Im starting to get worried 

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    • Shut up Klaus. At least I don't have a socialization problem. I'm not the troublemaker here. I'm simply making a complaint over something that has never been enforced, or even recognized for months. If I was in charge or anyone close on any other wiki, we'd do a better job because we don't allow the same thing to happen over again, we care take care of the issue immediately. Second of all, I didn't portray you as a bully. You created that profile for yourself. You know the true reason you go to Rich's wiki is because you know I'm there. You go there all the time to try to attempt to end the conflict when you should know your solution isn't going to work. As well, you still haven't told me any mistakes you made.

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    • lol you go on about me and my methods and how they fail u tell me how ur methods have sucseeded for months now u try to get rid of me and here i am i ever kicked you from your kingdom so your methods are crap too and you still enforce them

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    • Who says they aren't working? And I'm not trying, I'm succeeding. Why do you think Rich tells PSI what you're doing? It's because you tried to get rid of him and me when we did nothing. As well, you got me globalled and led me to being forced by staff to not go back at a place. All of the energy is negative, and the ONLY way it can be balanced is that the damage you brought to others is brought back to you.

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    • so that is why rich goes there he wouldnt tell me himself the coward thanks for that tku. and if ur sucseeding then why am i still here eh. you being globalled from that place and exciled was funny to me and i could have done a lot worse maybe got u banned from mulitple wikis but seeing your rage at one was good enough u started this tku deny it all u want but u did this is your doing so you can make this up by apologizing to me n my bro and leaving for good tell rich to do the same lol :P

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    • Why should I leave? None of this is my fault. We don't owe you an apology. We aren't the mental patients here. More like you should apologize to us and LEAVE.

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    • so im a mental patien now wow is that better then being a prisoner in rich's jail or worse beacuse i tried to warn rich his security problem is exstensive and he should hire better help i hear people break out of his jail all the time lol also u dont have to leave i was just testing if your nonesense worked on u apparently not 

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    • Would you like it if staff told you to stay away? If they did, you must listen.

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    • oooooooo the staff u never threatend me with them before oh wait yes you have like 10 times go for it the staff are quality such a good laugh 

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    • This isn't a threat. You weren't laughing when you got globalled numerous times.

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    • acutally i was beacuse i like to sit back and watch as u throw ur party saying u took down big band Klaus and your the hero and then with the snap of my fingers i am back and your running off making secret wikis professing your hatered and resiting the same tired speeches over and over for no reason lol

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    • No, I make wikis for factuality. When are you going to learn that you're not wanted? If you chose a place, YOU'RE NOT STAYING THERE FOREVER. If you get blocked, suck a lemon and accept it.

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    • or maybe if u block someone and they come back u should accept that you done messed up big time and u should really suck a lemon and accept they aint leaving

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    • I enforce the rules as they are, not as you want them, TKU. When you say you do a better job than me, you are lying. I checked the block list on your wiki and there were (provided that Jay and Klaus are the same person) six accounts of him blocked. More will definitely follow. Absolutely you portrayed me as a bully and I didn't create that profile for myself. Even Lightus and Josh apologized for treating me like a bully. I think I could talk to you in a reasonable manner about other things than the topic with Klaus. But obviously it is not possible anymore to talk to you in a reasonable manner as you obviously obsess over your irrational delusion to effectively ban Klaus forever and your - dare I say - pathological need to make me look bad. Also that you complained about German people running this wiki and not using the American solution can be interpreted as racism. As well I talked about mistakes. If you want to hear more, here you are: It was also a mistake that I promoted Ray and Killer when they asked for rights shortly after the foundation of this wiki. On future wikis I will hold a contest from the beginning on with the same system as now. Unlike you, I learn from mistakes and don't repeat them over and over again. As Dark once said you really made a similar mistake already one year ago, when you wanted to exclude Sky from the contest for all times. And exactly the same mistake you made at least six months before, when already then you wanted to get Klaus blocked for infinite and commited personal attacks against me and my group. Now the situation has turned worse for no one else than you. My group hates you and talks shit about you with all their friends. Also Dark, his chat partner and several other users question you. Maybe the more irrational users support you but they are wrong with their behaviour and just will lose the sympathy of my group and their followers as well. So you are fighting a lost cause.

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    • well in a way tku is only worng on the wiki's that are owned by your group night      also you

      should not use Dark as proof that tku is worng seeing how he likes to bully people just for the fun of it   


      to tell you the truth Im getting sick of this and Night thats  over 200 chances you give to klaus and to others    I'am starting to get worried

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    • You are wrong, Mario, As I've said before Klaus didn't have 200 chances. You seem to ignore some of my arguments. Also just because Dark is sometimes a bully doesn't necessarily mean he is in the wrong. Also bullies can be right sometimes. And from what I see Klaus socks again and again. And even if he stops socking one day, he could resume it at any time, when TKU and Rich don't expect it anymore. Also he could start a hate wiki against TKU, where he and friends meet to collude against TKU. As well Klaus could wait until TKU and Rich turn inactive and take it over by adoption. Or he could send an user to Rich's wiki who earns his trust and becomes a crat as well and when this user is a crat he could promote Klaus to crat and then its already too late. Klaus could start a vote to get TKU and Rich demoted and use sock- and meatpuppets to vote in favour of the demotion and then seizes full control of the wiki.

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    • Meatpuppet ?

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    • Also hate wikis are not allowed Sannse said she closed a hate wiki once and i would never make anyone on my wiki a crat because the power is to manipulate powers and even a founder can't remove someone from being a crat.Also what do you mean about getting me and tku demoted because the problem is klaus sock-puppeting over and over getting in others business and you can't adopt a wiki unless there is no one active and aren't blocked so klaus doesn't have a chance a adopting a wiki if I keep blocking him.

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    • A meatpuppet is when an user convinces a friend (virtual or real) to cause trouble on a wiki such as manipulating a vote. Hate wikis are of course not allowed, but they have to be reported first, which is not that easy considering that Wikia has more than one million wikis. Didn't you remember when I said that every user (admin or not) can start a vote for a demotion. So Klaus indeed can start one and vote with all of his sock- and meatpuppets. Not that it is my goal to get you demoted, but it could be Klaus'. Also he could start a vote whether he should become a crat and send it to staff. That's why I said he can still adopt with an account which isn't blocked yet. As well your wiki is very unprofessional and also not the main wiki of one topic as there is a Pokemon Wiki with more than 8000 members, so don't expect your wiki to be active for a long time. Your arguments sound like those of a newbie who doesn't know how Wikia works. And as I've said Klaus will sock over and over again at any time even if you don't expect it anymore. Samueljoo from Power Rangers Wiki at least has more than 50 accounts and who knows whether there is still a sock of him who isn't blocked there. As well on Fantendo there are also users with at least more than 40 socks.

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    • well I  think this needs to end really both sides are not  worng but it's starting to go a bit to far

      also I'm starting to get   worried 

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    • so whats you are saying night is that the only way for Klaus to stop doing the stuff that he is

      doing is if he dies   well then That creppy

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    • how is trying  to bully someone to the point they try to kill themselves thats why dark was

      blocked he was bullying people for fun and you think he was in the right on any other wiki dark

      would of been blocked and base on what you said that you are still talking to him  so you think that

      what dark did was not going  he was banned all over wiki  he bullies people for fun and hates

      them just for haveing  a different opinion and you think thats not worng what is wong with you night?

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    • Bullying users on Wikia of course was wrong, that's not what I mean. But Dark was right, when he said TKU made the same mistakes for which he already apologized some months ago. We had the discussion whether infinite blocks are good often enough as well as excluding (former) troublemakers from the contest forever. As well we discussed often enough whether I was a good leader or not. So indeed the same mistakes have been made by TKU over and over again or else we would have moved on a long time ago and there won't be any disruption by users who take either my side or TKU's side. We should have worked together as an united community instead of being a battlefield which is haunted by the war between two bureaucrats.

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    • well Kluse makeing more socks is pretty much not makeing any thing better seeing how both you are tku are still fighting with each other

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    • also Im geting sick of all of this fighting that you guys are still doing

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    • Yeah, Klaus will just make more and more socks. Even if he stops one day, he could resume at any time. Also this wiki won't live for long now. Season 2 has obviously been cancelled probably in favour of a reboot of Bakugan, if we believe what Bey Brad from the WBO has said. Thus if Klaus violates the rules and gets blocked for one year, I doubt that a lot of users still edit here, when the block expires and if he uses socks during the block it will just be extended, so he definitely has more to lose than if he would be blocked for infinite. If he would be blocked for infinite, then he would just think "Fine, as I'm banned for infinite anyway, I have nothing to lose as an infinite ban can't be extended anymore. So I just make another sock and either I'm not caught and can edit the wiki regularly again or I get caught and make another sock." Also if we would block or report any sock of a blocked user Rich also won't be here, because he is a sock of Tenkaiknights1234 who is still globally banned. We gave Rich the chance to redeem himself and he didn't disappoint us. Another example is Punkorama. We know that he socked at least twice as SockpuppetAccount-1 and PersonaOfDeceit after I reported him to staff to get him globally banned which he still is. Whether he redeemed himself or not, at least he stays away from this wiki and doesn't make further trouble. One day he also could return to our wiki and show us that he has changed as well. Furthermore Sky also might have redeemed himself. While he instantly got blocked on other wikis for using another sock, we gave him a chance to show that he has changed and see, he didn't cause trouble since then. There has to be a balance between being too forgiving and being too unforgiving. TKU tends to be too unforgiving, while I actually want these balance.

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    • any one can sock no matter how long they are block those are  people that likes to make

      trouble for the fun of it so of cose they will make socks even people  that have been block for

      one day have been know to make socks so by what you say everyone should just remove blocks   


      all together and let the  users that are coseing trouble  be and let them cose trouble because

      thats the is the only way to stop socks accounts for good with would be a bad Idea also you are

      way to  forgiving I'm mostly the one that people say's is to forgiving but you are more forgiving

      then me  you give people infinite chances no matter what they do  to the point if kluas or others

      were to rob a

      bank at gun point and hurt people you would still give him a chance you need to learn that

      some people are unreadeemable no matter how many chances are given also tku gave klaus 20 chances I  was Keeping track

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    • Yeah but if someone makes a sock to evade a temporary ban, the ban will just be extended, which isn't possible with an infinite ban. Again, you are wrong with saying I'm too forgiving, I just want effectiveness and always banning sockpuppets can hardly be effective because they will just sock again and again until they have re-established themselves to the wiki. And with your example with the bank robbery you are totally wrong. If it was my task to judge this case, I would even imprison the robbers for the longest time possible as there won't be an issue with sockpuppeting like in virtual life, so your argument is invalid. I don't need to learn anything. Punishment should also be adapted to the outer circumstances.

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    • also you are starting to sound like you think that you are all ways right   you gave klaus over

      200 chances I counted them all how many chances are you willing to give to people before they

      are past the point were you cant forgive them any more and said with trouble makers really does

      not help you preve that tku was worng   it just looks bad for you maybe anime moment are not

      fit to run wiki's       I really am starting to rethink some stuff   tku himself even said users

      message him and  the reason they left was not because the show is not haveing a 2end season

      it's because of klaus     I really don't know  what I should do here 

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    • I don't think I'm always right. However if I'm right I want it to be recognized. If you really think I gave Klaus 200 chances, please bother to show proofs for that. My group and the people behind think that this is not true. There can't be a limit for chances as people can redeem themselves at all times. And you think that Anime Movement isn't fit to run wikis. This is nothing but fallacious. Let's answer this claim by taking abilities into account TKU doesn't have. That's right, he can't code, he can't create templates, he can't make sufficient rules, he can't efficiently enforce them, he can't structure a wiki, he can't successfully advertise wikis, he can't edit wikis in eight languages and he can't edit media wiki pages. These are all abilities Anime Movement has. And is the situation on Pokemon Rumble Fan any better than here? No, because Klaus comes back over and over again with sockpuppets and TKU makes himself look like a laughingstock in Klaus eyes and partly the eyes of others. Also whether TKU is right with his claim that users left because of Klaus can also be questioned. It's just natural that a wiki about a dead franchise becomes uninteresting for users and they start to leave. This I predicted already in February, when Tenkai Knights was still airing and the wiki was still active enough. You can have your opinion and take TKU's side in the war. But it doesn't help anyone nor does it help you.

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    • you guys to keep trouble makers on the wiki's its starting to look like you guys are not fit to run

      any wiki seeing how you guys can't blocked trouble makers also yes people can redeem them self but at the same time 

      their are people that can't be redeemed people  are given  some chances to redeem them selfs

      before they are block for ever also really the only way to stop socks is to remove all of the wiki's

      rules and let the trouble makers get away with their actions  witch that is not going to happened any way  anime moment are just makeing

      them selfs look like they are afraid of the trouble makers this fight  between you and tku are

      going to far with this fighting  and talking to dark will only put you in a even worster light to

      some people because of what he does you just let him bullied people with out trying to talk him

      out of it or at least show him that acting like that is going to far witch ended up with his banned 

      with is a other thing that will put you in a bad light by others sorry but their is a lot of stuff that

      even one could use that will show that anime moment can't run a wiki they are just to forgiving

      or are just scared of the trouble makers

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    • also  thier should be a limit for chances because thats how it works in real life      and wiki has

      it's rules   and then their is a fact that some are unredeemable  also people need to learn that if 

      they only cose trouble for fun then they should be banned    anime moment logic only work by

      pretty much let the trouble makers to not be punish for their actions and leve them be and let

      them cose trouble all over the place thats the logic you guys are useing

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    • We are fit to run the wiki. We are not collaborating with troublemakers  as they are are blocked here as well as on other wikis. People can be redeemed at any time. It's never too late to change. Socks can't be stopped with TKU's tactic. We don't make ourselves look bad. We are not scared of troublemakers. Also there isn't a limit for chances in the German criminal law. Everything else of our answer to your repetitive and unjust accusations can be found here: http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:957065#8http://tenkai-knights.wikia.com/wiki/Tenkai_Knights_Wiki:Policy#Blocks

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    • Night, have you ever thought that the reason I couldn't do any of that stuff is because you never gave me the fitting oportunity to do any of that? No, you haven't. Also, I'm not saying anything racial. In fact, many would agree with me that you only use rules from your country. You may live in Germany, but let me be honest here with you, there are more North American users here than there are of Europeans. To control all of that, you can't just look at the rules of your own country and apply them to any situation. No, you need to look at how OTHER countries function and see how they feel. In my position, I don't neccessarily look at every other country because there's enough countries to be in the same position as the U.S. and Canada, where all they want is to end wars and deliver peace. That's their job, and they must do it, no matter what cost. The fact that I don't see you using ideas from users from other countries and you only talk to yourself and your reality friends to ask how to run wikis isn't racist, it's really selectivist. If you think I'm wrong, then give me a moment where you used the ideas of a user that wasn't from Europe and they inspired you to do a better job. As well, the only mistake I dectected of you saying was about two users. I'm sorry, but that's not enough. You're gonna need to say more than that. Anything involving me wasn't a mistake. Also, you say socks can't be stopped using my tactic. You stop my solution to stop troublemakers and ridicule my ideas. Maybe if you stood behind longer and didn't quit, it could have worked. Maybe it could have, maybe it couldn't have, but it's better to take the risk than to falsely determine the future and avoid it.

      And you forget, many citizens live in the land of North America, where you don't get 1000's of chances. Instead you get a few, which is a good thing because maybe then you'll shape up to be the ideal person of your own country instead of acting like wise-crack or even a tyrant. The fact you don't get so many chances in NA symbolizes the seriousness that must be takened. If you're not going to follow the rules seriously, how are going to succeed in life as an adult? If you get infinite chances, how are going to learn? You can't because the only lesson one can learn from that is this: "It doesn't matter what you do in life! You can be as bad as you want, but wait, you shouldn't be so worried. After all, you get infinite chances. The judges aren't going to be so concrete onto you because they believe EVERY bad person can change. But wait, that's not a bad thing because it's so easy for you to take advantage of them, since there will never be a moment where they'll be hard on you. You can be put to jail as many times as possible, but it doesn't matter because you won't be put there for life, so you continue to be who you are!". Is this the type of message you want to be showing throughout every wiki you make? The idea that everyone will get infinite chances and they can behave all they want and there will NEVER EVER be a moment in the light where they get a serious punishment that would scar them for life, but might end up being a good lesson to learn to help put them on the right road? If you don't want that at all, you should listen to other users, especially ones not from Europe, no matter where they come from, no matter what disability they may have, and most importantly, no matter what age they are and whether they're successful or not.

      Mario, as for all of this, I'm not starting a war. I'm simply identifying a problem that has happened for months and I believe it's right for me to stand up and address it. Thank you for showing your opinions on how life should be running. Although you may not be active everyday, the fact that here I am, seeing a North American really expressing his opinion on parts of life, gives me the justified feeling that there's hope for the world after all. No matter what danger lurks on Earth and no matter how serious the problems are, it's okay and right to say that we can start to shape the planet into a utopian world. Sure, it may seem ridiculous and not so realistic to see, but that doesn't mean we can't start helping the world. Basically, Mario, the fact that I see you expressing your freedom and notice that you agree with my ideas really proves that you're a true pal and comrade.

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    • um I'm pretty much not picking any sides     I just want this fighting to end and I hope you and Nights can be friends again

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    • No, you didn't create templates, because you didn't know how to make them. As well you always asked me before a page had to be made and needed my guidance. Also you didn't promote the wiki on any network, this was all my achievement. As well I found several dubs of Tenkai Knights and uploaded them. I also answered questions from other members and this exactly makes me a good leader because I tell the members what they should do. Reducing the abilities a bureaucrat should have to just block users for infinite is just plain stupid. There is a lot more a good bureaucrat should do. And that's why Mario was in the wrong with his accusations and he even was unable to give good counter-arguments against what my group said. Also it's not the point that I only take rules from my country. I also would take rules from other countries. For instance what I don't like is that in Germany there is an obligation to attend school. I think it's better if there is only compulsary education, what means there also can be homeschooling or autodidactic learning and that students also can go to school on some days and at any time they want it but don't have to. Just because I live in Germany doesn't mean I prefer German laws. The same is with North America. Support for the death penalty is steadily declining and several states already disestablished it with more states to follow. Also in a lot of states of the U.S. criminals who are convicted for life can be paroled after a certain amount of years. Even if there is no chance for being paroled, the president still can grant amnesty. So your "American solution" won't be the "American solution" for a long time anymore. We live in the 21st century and thus in a time where liberal views are on the rise. Also we listened to you more than once and made compromises repeatedly. Now we have reintroduced infinite blocks and when Klaus has been rightfully blocked five times and makes a sixth offense there can be an infinite block vote. And if there is a certain interest in such a vote, you can bet, that I will start one. And every year the community can deicde whether Klaus gets another chance or remains blocked and every time he uses sockpuppets will just make the year longer. So now we found a way to not give infinite chances anymore, but also keep him from socking and also not exclude redemption. As with Mario, I hope as well that the fighting between TKU's and my followers finally ends. But my group has made compromises and spent days and nights on improving the rules, fully neglecting our other duties, just to improve the rules for a wiki which dies soon anyway. And now it's TKU's turn. Taking no side is indeed better than taking TKU's side, because with him you are on the wrong side for the reasons stated here and on Community Central.

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    • So you're saying I'm in the wrong? You may have finally reintroduced the infinite block, but that doesn't replace what happened in the past. Whether you tolerate something or not, if you see bullying, you're supposed to stop it, not let it live like a fire where it can end up burning everything around it. The fact that you've allowed Klaus to do all of those horrible actions and not did a permanent solution to stop him is inexcuseable. What's worse is you let him play people and use people for his own desires. If you know he's lying, you allow him to do that, which allows him to take advantage of people, which isn't fair. For starters, you hear he always says he'll leave, but from where I'm standing, I see a barrel full of lies. Another thing I notice is how he says he'll leave if he doesn't hear his name. I've seen him do this a bunch of times, and when the times actually feel peaceful, he ends up ruining them by coming back and interfering with my conversations. The very fact he tries to be honest for a few seconds and ends up throwing that away in the trash is a clear statement that he has absolutely no intention of keeping up to the deal. I know his strategy. He'll be honest for a few days, then after that, he ends up talking again. When he actually tries to be honest, all he actually does is not speak on a thread for a few days, and when he thinks its right, chooses to lie by talking again. He doesn't care how people feel. In fact, he doesn't give a dang about you. He's only being nice to you because he wants power. If he was the one in charge, we'd all be banned because the system would be like this: "Once you do ONE LITTLE ACTION that offends me, I'm not giving more than one chance to you because you are blocked forever". All he cares is about power. He only wants power because he thinks it would replace the gap of his "sad past", which we're all supposed to feel bad about, which we shouldn't. He doesn't want to be on the same level as everyone else. In fact, I heard him say he doesn't want to be human, since humans "destroyed his trust", which sounds exactly like something a mental nut would say because he doesn't get things his way. He honestly thinks that I tried to ruin his life elsewhere, but all of that is a lie because I went to such wiki's only to establish better bonds, which has been ruined because of him. Sure, there might be 1000's of other wiki's to try, but that's not the deal here, it's the principle. You know dang well he's only here to annoy me and you know there's clear evidence. If I try to go somewhere I want to be at, you know he follows me. What I want is simple. I want an apology, A REAL ONE. I want him to apologize for every single thing he's done: the global ban, all the socks, trying to ruin Christmas, constant lying, refusal to show any sign of sympathy, and clear portrayal of no change whatsoever. The only honest way he could apologize for any of that is he literally apologizes for that. However, that's not enough because the damage he caused is way not equal to a sorry. In reality, a bomber can't say sorry for exploding a town or city. The damage caused is totally unequal and only way peace could be restored is jail, death, or a kind of restraining order that hereby means they can't be near forever by a certain radius. You say the virtual world and the real world are completely different, but I like to think of both worlds always clashing with each other. Look, my problem is his presence. My problem is the fact you've allowed him to be here the whole time regardless of all his actions. If other wiki leaders saw what he did, many of them would have agreed to block forever. I may not be the leader here, but I am a student who has a lot of potential and is entitled to his words and opinions. I may be a least a decade older than you, but I do have knowledge about how relationships work and how to run a business. I may not have examplified any of that to you, but that doesn't mean it will never happen. From what I've learned over the past years, there's a limit to how much one can be troublesome. Once that limit is reached, it must be stopped, not with a temporary solution that would give some time of peace. It needs to be stopped with a permanent solution that's well guaranteed to either not come back forever or at least not be a problem for our life runs. Look, all I want is for him to leave for good as a way of saying sorry. That's all I want. After that, peace would be back and I wouldn't be asking for more. Sure, you and your only actual friends may consider that as irrational, but consider this.

      We may have our own opinions and our own quirks, but that doesn't mean we have to be enemies. After all, we're all humans, just aiming for the same thing: peace. Sure, we all may have our own solutions towards that, but can't we just work together, be honest with each other, despite our social status and our historical background, and create a solution that makes all parties happy? Can't we just have a good or decent sit-down and create a compromise that would fill both sides needs? Sure, we may disagree with each other, but that doesn't mean we have to do that all the time. If we disagree on everything, then how will we able to even stand to be in the same room or make compromises? We can't and that's where I come to say this. We may have our own opinions of Klaus, but can't there be a solution where he's blocked forever (just here like right now) while I give you something in exchange? Perhaps some sort of trade? You may think of this as irrational, but at least take the time to understand what I've been feeling and where I stand before you make such a sudden movement. Remember, to compromise with someone who's way younger than you, some sort of deal has to be made in middle. Not a deal where you get everything and I don't benefit at all, a deal that will keep BOTH of us happy.

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    • wow i was only mentioned once in this rant

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    • I will stop bullying if it happens, TKU. Also I didn't allow Klaus to do horrible actions. I just didn't find the best solution to stop this. But now the solution has been found and we are going to do it no matter how often you complain about it. That he is saying he leaves and doesn't leave is hardly a block reason. As long as he doesn't break rules he can stay here. Klaus strategies are irrelevant as long as he adheres to the rules. Also it's irrelevant what you want, blocks shouldn't be placed for personal problems with another user. No, I never said virtual and real world are completely different. If it was in the rules of other wiki leaders to block users like Klaus, they would have done it. However as I've said before blocks shouldn't be given for personal problems with the user but for rule violations. You are just overestimating yourself. You won't have been able to be as successful as I am. This wiki already has surpassed comparable wikis like B-Daman and Monsuno Wiki in terms of both members and edits and it won't have been that successful without my help the wiki enjoyed from the beginning on. Also you are ignoring the fact now that I re-introduced infinite blocks which potentially can be permanent if the users want it. Even Sannse suggested this once and see, now it's even part of the rules. Also we actually made a compromise which made both sides happy, that on the one hand users don't get infinite chances but on the other hand have the chance to come back to the wiki if they are accepted again by the members and also won't result to socking that easily. Even Mario liked that solution. So now the time has come for you to be satisfied. There won't be another change to the rules, just because you and some other rather irrational users are persistently demanding it. As you see now Tenkai Knights will be cancelled in favour of a reboot of Bakugan, so it's time to move on from this wiki anyway. My group already thought about cancelling the contest in July, so it has nothing to do with your recent outbursts which were supported by your followers. You now got what you wanted namely infinite blocks and I re-introduced them and wrote in the rules that if an user has blown six chances, he can be blocked for infinite. Just be satisfied and move on.

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    • well their have been some cases were shows  don't have a other season untill some years later

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    • This is perhaps the best proof that Unity had instigated trouble on this wiki. He wanted to get Klaus gone because of his personal problems with him and because he didn't get what he wanted he incited against the already very depressed Nightmare and his MoviezWorldwide group, who had many other and far more important problems than dealing with Klaus and a wiki which was dying anyway. MoviezWorldwide responded to these stupid demands by improving the rules which is more than a logical step. Unity still wasn't satisfied and continued to gripe, but there were too few people who supported his pointless rebellion, so he finally gave up and now pretends to be a victim of bullying and that nobody is letting go of the past, closing any thread in which he is critisized, although it's just natural that people are mad at others when they have done something wrong, even if years have passed since then. And now his pal Rich (if he isn't his sock) is still permanently blocked from this wiki, for saying he wants to piss all over my grave.

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    • I'm not entirely sure about Unity, but if he sides with globalled trolls like Rich or even is a sock of them, this makes him look bad.

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    • Unity doesn't seem to have a good reputation on this wiki. Also wasn't Rich the guy who got permabanned here? From what I remember I voted for his permaban some time ago. If Unity is a friend or even a sock of this guy this probably doesn't help matters.

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    • A FANDOM user
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